QUOTE (chiisai_hana @ Jul 14 2006, 09:10 AM) @Bold: Actually, I wasn't refering to WWII specificially. More the entire history of the Jewish race, right back to biblical times. Now things are currently in their favour.
That's not to excuse the other cases from history. It just seems, if you believe the entire history of the world back to bibical times, that they have the longest history of abuse.
I'd like to revive this discussion for that I am deeply bored and want to kill some more time.
Chiisai, I'm very well awared of Jews' history. They were once punished, then saved by a prophet and led to the land of Israel, BELIEVING THEY ARE THE SUPREME RACE OF ALL, isn't that what Nazi's actually thought? LOL funny stuff... well moving on, Biblical times? I'm sorry, correct me if I'm wrong, but are you talking about the same jews, living in the same period of time in which Jesus was tortured? LAWL? They pretty much doubted him from the moment they saw him, called him devil while the three wise men, from middle east called him the promised prophet that will come soon. Many other things happened, but if I were to blame anyone for Jesus's death, I'd blame Jews and Roman king (of that time) for that, they were the ones who got jesus killed. (Not blaming all jews and what not, just the ones who got themselves involved, unfortunately enough I did not live in those times, thus I do not know them by name
) Are you talking about the same race who slaughtered many christians when Christianity was just born? No you cant be, those monsters cannot be the innocents that you talk of. Let's go back and forth the history, you won't find a single race which hasn't endured harshness.
Prefect examples Bold, Tutsie's and Huttus, prefect example indeed. Just how many of you guys have heard of them? Tutsie's were literally slaughtered by Huttus in front of UN officers, well, there was only 100 UN soldiers in Rwanda at that time anyways, it's not like 100 soldiers can possibily stop thusands or millions of armed enemies. They simply sat down and watched the exact same thing as they are doing right now regarding Israel v Palestine/Lebnon. The UN commanding officer in Rwanda, when he was ordered to come back to America to report, had nearly turned into an insane man. Watching innocent civilians dying right before your eyes when your duty is to protect them but getting orders not to interfere or rather could not do it anyway drove him crazy, or least that's what I heard.
Bold, Israel says that they do not have Nuclear weapons and do not allow anyone to investigate in their country to confirm or deny the existance of WMD in their country. So really, we cant say they do have Nuclear Weapons or not. Though we all know they do... LOL... politics... I lawl at you everytime I discuss a deep matter anywhere and anytime in this world.
Also, modern warfare is more like this
-paralize the enemy (by military means)
-disconnect them from any aid and then isolate them
-destroy enemies most important things/obejects/buildings/ places/ centers/ head quarters and so on and so forth
-mobilize
-set up some sort of police or rather some sort of security systems in order to protect the soldiers (certainly not the civilians)
-claim the land
I am very emotional on this matter! The price of oil will rise and shall NEVER go down if this continues on! Why the fuck do we have to suffer for other countries stupidity (excuse the language but had to say that in order to express myself fully).
Oh yeah, I pretty much agree with everything Bold has said so far, though jews did suffer in WWII, they do not have the right to punish muslims who had nothing to do with their suffering.
More importantly new materials are here to be discussed!!
QUOTE Siniora called for an immediate U.N.-backed cease-fire and international help to stop attacks from Israel's "war machine," according to CNN's translation.
Such a cease-fire, he said, will allow Lebanon to "establish its sovereignty over all its lands" based on the 1949 armistice agreement.
"We are pained as well as angry, yet determined and patient," Siniora said, adding that "these are hours for unity, not for division."
He said Israel was "punishing all Lebanese collectively, with their actions lacking any moral or legal legitimacy."
An Israel Foreign Ministry spokesman responded to Siniora's remarks, saying that Lebanon triggered the crisis by failing to disarm Hezbollah.
"This whole crisis was initiated by aggression by Lebanon into Israel," said Mark Regev.
If Siniora "had done his job correctly," followed relevant U.N. Security Council resolutions and disarmed Hezbollah, "this crisis would have been averted," Regev added.
Israel is willing to implement a cease-fire in accordance with those resolutions, he said.
QUOTE Civilians killed
Israel intensified its attacks from air, sea and land Saturday on targets such as Beirut and the ports of Tripoli, Amchit and Junieh, according to Lebanese media.
Israel's campaign began when Hezbollah militants based in Lebanon abducted two Israeli soldiers and killed three others during a raid into Israel Wednesday. Israel vowed to free the soldiers.
In his remarks Saturday, Siniora reiterated that the Lebanese government had no knowledge of Hezbollah's plans.
At least 85 Lebanese civilians have been killed, and 229 people have been wounded, according to Lebanese authorities.
Four Israeli civilians, eight soldiers and one sailor have died, Israeli authorities said, adding that 100 other Israelis have been wounded. Three sailors are missing.
Israeli warplanes hit Hezbollah's main headquarters in Beirut, which was struck Friday as well, according to Lebanese interior ministry officials. No casualties were reported from those strikes, the officials said.
The IDF confirmed the aerial attack, saying, "The state of Israel warned the Lebanese population who are present at the compound or around it, using leaflets and different means of communication, to stay clear from the site for their own safety."
Al-Jazeera, the Arabic-language TV network, reported that the headquarters of Hezbollah's spiritual leader, Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, was targeted.
Israel also said it had attacked the Beirut headquarters of Hamas, the Palestinian movement that dominates the Palestinian Authority government.
Earlier on Saturday, an Israeli airstrike near Tyre hit a minibus carrying 20 civilians, killing at least 15 of them, Lebanese internal security sources said.
The IDF said it was making "every effort" to avoid civilian casualties, adding: "Responsibility for endangering civilian population rests on the Hezbollah terror organization, which operates and launches missiles at Israel from populated civilian areas."
More than 75 rockets were fired at Israeli towns on Saturday, the IDF said.
One barrage struck Nahariya, a northwestern town near the Lebanese border. There were no immediate reports of injuries.
The town has been targeted by Hezbollah rocket strikes since the conflict between Israel and the Lebanese-based guerrilla group started Wednesday.
To guard against Katyusha rockets, missile batteries were deployed in Haifa, video from the scene showed.
Leaflets over Lebanon
In the coastal city of Sidon, leaflets rained down from Israeli aircraft urging Lebanese citizens to reject the Hezbollah militants.
Children and adults rushed to grab and read them, CNN's Nic Robertson in Sidon reported.
The leaflets, including a caricature of Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah as a serpent, read: "Is the resistance ... helping Lebanon? The resistance ... is destroying Lebanon!"
Israeli airstrikes hit near Lebanon's northern border for the first time on Saturday.
Also targeted were roads and bridges near the eastern border with Syria to prevent the smuggling of weapons and possibly the whisking away of the two captured Israeli soldiers from Lebanon into Syria, the IDF said.
Arab media reports say the strike happened in what is regarded as a no-man's-land east of Baalbek, Lebanon.
A high-ranking Lebanese government official confirmed the attack, while security forces in Syria told CNN that no Israeli airstrikes hit Syria.
'You wanted open war'
After more than 12 hours, the Israeli military Saturday located the body of one of the four sailors missing after a Hezbollah missile attack on an Israeli warship, the IDF confirmed to CNN.
The warship was damaged but operating "on some level" in spite of a fire that had been extinguished; damage to the ship's steering system was also fixed, an IDF spokeswoman said.
A similar missile sank an Egyptian boat, but its crew was rescued by a nearby commercial ship, the IDF said.
On Hezbollah-run Al Manar television, Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah claimed responsibility for the attack on the Israeli warship and called it "just the beginning." He also declared "open war" with Israel. (Watch Nasrallah say Hezbollah is ready for war -- 2:14)
"You wanted an open war," Nasrallah said on Friday. "Let it be, then, an open war. (Full story)
Hezbollah, which is backed by Syria and Iran, is considered a terrorist organization by the United States and Israel. The group holds 23 of the 128 seats in Lebanon's parliament. (What is Hezbollah?)
source :http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/15/mideast/index.html
edit: meh, im more scared and terrorized by Israel than Palestine and Hezbolla. I mean, nobody can stop them right, what if they some day invade Canada? You know, our military equipment is out-dated and most of the population would want them out dated rather than up-to-dated. baka humans, how are we supposed to protect our selves from the real terrorists?
Damn, one of my buddies went to Lebnon not long ago, I think he's gonna die thanks to Israel.