Damn Ignorant *ssholes


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dchaosblade

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I guess I should be used to it now, considering how often it happens, but it still pisses me off to no end whenever I hear/see/read about someone doing it again.
Constantly, people in the government, media, and education systems spout off crap out of pure ignorance without bothering to back it up or go off of ANYTHING other than word of mouth (and what they hear comes from OTHER stupid ignorant assholes - excuse the language). They constantly put down anime, manga, and video games as promoting violence, rape, incest, murder (and I quote: "Child Murder") and a billion other things.

For an example, check this:

A new government program is introducing Mangas into the public school system and public libraries as an act to encourage boys and girls to read. Sounds good right? Well, all good comes with a bad: Lobbyists are popping up in protest saying that "Graphic Japanese comic books, infamous for the violent and pornographic content of their adult versions, are being sent to schools by a Government-funded agency."
Thats like saying "Magazines, famous for their pornographic content in such as Playboy, are being distributed to schools by a Government-funded agency." It's no less true.

They go on to voice their fears that:
"Once hooked on the comics, teenagers will seek out the more violent and pornographic titles.
The prevalence of Manga comic books in Japan has been blamed by some lobby groups for a rise in sexual violence against women, including a gang-rape by four students at the country's top university last year.
Even children's comics, such as Shonen Jump, which has an English language edition, include characters like Weirdo Mask, a schoolboy who acquires special powers when he puts women's underwear on his face.
Nick Seaton, of the Campaign for Real Education, said: 'I really don't think they should invite teenagers to read a series like this. It seems inevitable they will be led into the darker materials.'"



*goes on a rampage*
 
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Look at the paper! It's the Daily Mail (the Sunday version). Such newspapers do not care about the truth, they only want a story. Shocking revelations, scandals sell far more copies than going into accurate details. No one really cares what anime/manga is, so they won't publish stories on it. Unless it involves some shocking revelation... At the end of the day newspapers are businesses and they do whatever it takes to make the most money. Is it ethical? Not really but the tabloid industry was never renowned for its high moral standards.

Besides the Daily Mail is a Conservative paper and as the government is from Labour they will always publish a story that undermines the government. In this case schools are encouraging amoral behaviour.

I would advice you to get some sort of stress reliever to prevent future rampages. Better still don't read the Daily Mail (that's what I do). The only saving grace I can offer the Daily Mail is that it is marginally better than the Sun; don't get me started on that one...

Since it is a British tabloid perhaps I could complain on your behalf?
 
21 november 2004 ?
It's a bit late to be outraged, isn't it ?

And well... Some newspapers are based on writing crap. Wether it's about mangas, about France about migrants, about the EU, about the avian flu, about Americans, about France...
Sad, yes. Aimed specifically at animes/mangas, no.
 
Well that's only with H-doujins/manga so I kind of doubt this would bring up any controvercy like the new GTA game will make. I mean it seems the press wants a story that has an influence to violence and whatnot it seems though.

In any case it's just a biased story, and probablly a remote few have tendancies to act out what they read, or play. If that's the case childeren shouldn't read any fantasy novels or anything of the sort because they might try and act out certain scenes from the said book now.

In other words this is what you would call a "Slow News Day."
 
Some people believe whatever they hear, as long as it sounds interesting, then they go tell their friends. This is how rumors get spread. No one bothers to check themselves. I am almost positive the writer of that article has never tried reading manga before, and neither have any of the people quoted in the article.

The sad part is, things like this put a bad name on it. If someone who doesn't know anything about anime or manga reads a few newspaper stories like this, they will start to believe them. This could discourage them from trying it, when otherwise they would have. It also makes everyone who reads manga look like a pervert addicted to hentai. If you first heard about manga in this newspaper, it would seem credible because you have no other evidence. That means when you meet someone who loves it, then you will without even thinking imagine that person to be a hentai-addicted pervert. First impressions can be difficult to change.

This really makes me angry. Its just like people who see pokemon and naruto and think all anime is like that.

And the fact its from 2004 doesn't change anything. It's just an example. Theres plenty of more recent ones too.
 
this isn't anything to be outraged about.
1) it's four years old
2) no one reads the Daily Mail, who actually reads that?
3) the only people who read it and beleve in the information are too mentally stunted to do anything about it

in the end though, this type of thought is derived from the idea that "cartoons/comics are for kids," so when they see cartoons/comics dealing with something non child oriented in that medium, they freak out and assume it's being marketed to kids. quite frankly, iv'e seen much more disturbing stuff from non japanese media. furthermore, your comparison to playboy was right on XD. "what? tommy's reading a magazine? but that may lead him to start reading pr0n!!1!!!1"

and that BS about the pornography/violence in manga/anime is contributing to violence against women in japan hasn't talked to a single japanese woman. the problem of abusing (women) in japan has been going on for several hundred years, and you'd be starteled by how many women are actually raped there, but japanese society and culture being what it is, the report rate is drastically lower than it is here (usually involving a husband and wife iirc).

interestingly also, i've read a study suggesting that the more... "bizarre" a culture's porn is, is partly contributed by the lack of "getting any," so the hypothesis was that the less sex actually happens, the more outrageous their pornography becomes.

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@chickenwing71x

yeah, it is annoying when people think all anime is shounen. in my "youth in society" class that im taking this semester (im a sociology major) the professor is having us use a book published in 2000, and one of the chapters about media talks about pokemon, and lumps all anime as "high action, low emotion," (ie: your stadard younger audience shounen). as a result, when i did my term paper (a qualitiative research paper on the differences between gundam wing and 00, and how this demonstrates a shifting in the dominator to partnership paradigm), i had to spend nearly a whole page of it explaining what exactly anime was (including the pronunciation).
 
QUOTE (mamori @ Apr 22 2008, 05:41 PM)2) no one reads the Daily Mail, who actually reads that?

Try over 2 million people! At the very least the paper sells 2 million copies per day in the UK. How many people read a paper? Who knows but it isn't just a few people.

In any case the Daily Mail is MAINLY aimed at middle class, middle age people (particularly women). Such people have little interest in anime (the page number is a clue, page 49). A little negative story is not going to put people off. Even if the paper said anime was the best thing since sliced bread no one would want to watch it. People are not going to change their habits over one article in the middle of a paper. To use an example I could make scandalous story about cricket. No one here actually cares about the sport. It may spur a few emotions nothing more. If I wrote a more accurate positive story on the same subject people would say that's nice and move on.

At least we can take comfort in the fact that this story did not involve actual people.



QUOTE interestingly also, i've read a study suggesting that the more... "bizarre" a culture's porn is, is partly contributed by the lack of "getting any," so the hypothesis was that the less sex actually happens, the more outrageous their pornography becomes.

It might also be due to censorship laws in Japan. Japanese porn is not allowed to show gentilia. As a result these parts have to be censored. This may cause the writers to become more "creative" in their delivery of pornography.
 
Few things: The article in the image was just an example. Fact is that these kinds of accusations occur all the time in all different forms of media including mainstream 'true' newspapers and shows. I just didn't have an image or link handy to show off
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Second of all, sorry I didn't know what paper it was from; I'm in the U.S. (sounds like this is a UK paper), and nowhere in the image does it show what paper the article is from (unless it's literally "The Mail on Sunday" which I assumed was just a caption or something o.o).

@Kid-Wolf: The paper is saying that a kid reading the Naruto manga will lead him/her to reading an H-manga which includes mutilation and rape which will then somehow magically brainwash the kid into imitating it and going out to rape and mutilate someone randomly.

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@everyone in general: I KNOW that what they say is wrong, but that doesn't change the fact that it irritates me to no end that they still say it and thus convince others that its true.
Furthermore, my complaint isn't limited to anime and manga only. It also applies to video games and the like. As an example for that, I give you the case with THIS, where a journalist talks about Mass Effect and it's apparently amazing sex games and the like, not to mention the online orgasms!

Not too long ago, some lady on CNN or some such talked about Mass Effect and its sex scenes on live T.V., and ended up having such a retaliation from the gaming community that she went and PLAYED the game (OMG! She actually played the game to see if she told the truth?!), and then apologized, saying that she had made a huge mistake and was just spouting off something her friend had said or some sh*t.
 
Well first off how would a a kid manage to find an H-manga and do stuff like that to being with? Unless he was looking for it to begin with. It goes to show you that hentai can go to mainstream with some anime series.

Also I was kind of being vague since I wasn't paying any attention to what book was on trial here. Also, I like to know how some of the other stuff mentioned in that paper have to do with the Naruto seires? Might as well put eveything that's anime/manga related and blend it together and say everything is wrong it seems.

Besides a Narutard is basically annoying, but harmless never the less. They tend to act out, but they rarely ever harm anyone physically in any case. Unless they do read an H-manga/doujin and act it out.

In any case I'd actually blame the parents on not paying any attention to thier childeren and letting them run around and do things like that.

And the thing with the news caster that was actually Fox News if I remeber correctly.
 
A note about the paper, the version you saw was the Mail on Sunday. That is the Sunday edition of the Daily Mail. If you know what's good for you avoid that paper. Unless you like to go in rampages.
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Who knows you might do (you could be into S&M). There is a lot of garbage in that paper which is based on very little truth.

Peoples ignorance isn't always annoying. A funny example:

Poodle scam

Sometimes you wonder how stupid people can be! I realised my dog wasn't a poodle when it didn't bark and refused to eat dog food!
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2000 people were tricked into this scam!
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What a ridiculous story!
 
I think they are just extremly exagerating. They are judging an entire industry solely on just one genre of manga which is wrong, There are tons of manga that are well suited for children.

I dont see what the big deal is, my high school library had a couple of volumes of mangas, then agian it was in high school.

If introducing mangas to kids at school will encourage them to read, i think it' s a good idea.
 
QUOTE @everyone in general: I KNOW that what they say is wrong, but that doesn't change the fact that it irritates me to no end that they still say it and thus convince others that its true.
Furthermore, my complaint isn't limited to anime and manga only. It also applies to video games and the like.

The point wasn't that the article may be right (it's clearly not) or may not be irritating (it clearly is).
The point was that it's not aimed at animes or mangas or video games. You'll see the same kind of attacks against a wide range of targets (here a jocular headlines generator for the Daily Mail http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/toys/dailymail/
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And if it may give you some hope in humankind, the local library here as some mangas in the children section and in the adult section (not porn! Of course. Stuff like Akira or 20th century boys).
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This is around the same time when I heard Congress/Bush was working on a law to prohibit further manga of any sort to be brought to the US. Same with anime. The big one was Negima for "depicting child pornography."

Well guess what, it was never passed. It's been four years since that proposal and same with this newspaper article. There's no way it'll get passed because there are too many people who also support manga.

Also, the one thing that general and oblivious "Americans" perceive when they hear anime or manga or any form of Japanese culture are the following: supernatural, sex/porn, and samurais. Honestly, that's the general perception. In a sense, anime fans could easily counter with arguments like Americans and video games, particularly first person shooters or somewhere along the line like Halo, GTA series, Call of Duty, Counter-Strike, etc...

Basically the flaw of this argument is it's biased and when something is biased there isn't even a point needing to argue with someone who fails to see the alternative or other side of the picture.
 
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Also, the one thing that general and oblivious "Americans" perceive when they hear anime or manga or any form of Japanese culture are the following: supernatural, sex/porn, and samurais. Honestly, that's the general perception. In a sense, anime fans could easily counter with arguments like Americans and video games, particularly first person shooters or somewhere along the line like Halo, GTA series, Call of Duty, Counter-Strike, etc...


Things are fair, because Hollywood movies are (or have been) indeed generaly depicted as 'violence and babes'.
It doesn't change the fact that the most successful movie in France is from Hollywood (although it should change in the next weeks), that some Hollywood movies are very well received (even if it's an ultra-violent movie from Tarantino), even by the most 'intellectual' critics and that everybody watchs American series.

It's a bit schizophrenic. ^^
 
QUOTE (Kit-Tsukasa @ Apr 22 2008, 04:14 PM) Basically the flaw of this argument is it's biased and when something is biased there isn't even a point needing to argue with someone who fails to see the alternative or other side of the picture.

While that's completely true stuff like this: http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/6684.cfm
happens b/c of ignorant ppl who have power or a lot of ignorant ppl decide to complain... And as a result the people who actually play/watch/read the game/anime/manga (in this case game) get screwed over. Even if this was just temporary, it shows the power the stupid ignorant ppl have, and we can't do anything about it most of the time b/c they don't listen to reason they just want a scapegoat.

doofie: People are ignorant, and they're not worth discussing. Thread closed.
 
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