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well i totaly agree with mohammed2006-san this guy becuz god did not create woman to like other woman god created them to like each other not that

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but rilly guys do love it when girls do girl x girl but its the opisite for the other way
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Homosexuality exists. Dot. Just accept it that it exists, that what exists exists for some reason, like that it's natural, don't mix the god the religion or whatever in there ya have it. And I don't see the whole point in this conversation, it's not like people will come to an agreement and realize that homosexuality is either bad or good. It's just dividing people into "sides" and groups of those who agree with each and not. That's pointless. That's just you trying to appear to be a good-two-shoes and show others why you think it's good or bad, when the only thing you're doing is basically making homosexuality stand out and placing it in a position of something that's not supposed to be here. You disgust me, people.

And if you feel like mentioning god - god created all, even homosexuals. Deal with it.
 
QUOTE That's just you trying to appear to be a good-two-shoes and show others why you think it's good or bad, when the only thing you're doing is basically making homosexuality stand out and placing it in a position of something that's not supposed to be here. You disgust me, people.


And your message differs of ours how, exactly ?
Except that a few of us tried to back their opinions with some facts or reasons, rather than with a "Deal with it"?
 
QUOTE (dragon9735 @ May 13 2008, 01:32 PM)but really guys, you do love it when girls do girls but it's the opposite for man on man
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One needs to remember that porn (even anime) gives a distorted version of what lesbianism is really like. I mean they will always pick girls who are very attractive. This doesn't reflect what happens in real life. I think the same thing applies when male homosexuals are depicted in the media (common stereotypes are used). I believe yaoi anime is also guilty of adding certain myths. I don't follow this line of anime much but that is the impression I get. Correct me if I'm wrong.

As for man on man action I think it is true that men have less tolerance to male homosexuality than women do to female homosexuality. I don't have evidence to back this up but it's a impression I get. Any women out there please correct me.


QUOTE (Eiensama @ May 18 2008, 12:44 AM)Homosexuality exists. Dot. Just accept it that it exists, that what exists exists for some reason, like that it's natural, don't mix the god the religion or whatever in there ya have it.

I don't think anyone disputes the fact that homosexuality exists, even the people who are adamantly against homosexuality. They know it exists (it's one of the reasons why they are so angry). They just feel it is wrong. There is no denial that it exists. If you are talking about animal homosexuality then I will say that point is more debatable. By the way I am NOT saying there is no animal homosexuality simply the area is more debatable.


QUOTE And I don't see the whole point in this conversation, it's not like people will come to an agreement and realize that homosexuality is either bad or good.

To debate!
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Sometimes the debate is more important than the final answer.
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QUOTE And if you feel like mentioning god - god created all, even homosexuals. Deal with it.

God created man. He did not create homosexuals. God allowed man to make their own decisions (they are not bound by god). As homosexuality is wrong and the people willingly made this choice they are wrong. Or so the arguments goes.
 
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God created man. He did not create homosexuals. God allowed man to make their own decisions (they are not bound by god). As homosexuality is wrong and the people willingly made this choice they are wrong. Or so the arguments goes.

A can of worms, and I think no one here has the theological knowledge to really argue about it (The whole problem of evil... Good luck with that).
 
QUOTE (Dalriada @ May 18 2008, 08:56 PM)A can of worms, and I think no one here has the theological knowledge to really argue about it (The whole problem of evil... Good luck with that).
How cynical are you?
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No one has the knowledge to argue this point... You never know, who the next poster may be!
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Back to the point...Bad and evil (I believe) are two different things. I download fansubs (that's bad !) even use semantics to argue a point! Yet I'm not evil. The same can apply to homosexuality. Indeed I know people who do not think homosexuality is right but will still associate with people even be their friends. I like them despite their flaws. They will say.

Anyway a point that baffles me, is homosexuality a result of genetics or society? Before you answer here is some food for thought. Since homosexuality has become less taboo more people are gay. Now if the thing were purely genetic then wouldn't the numbers remain the same?

Another point over the century our perception of beauty has changed. The models we see today were not always the pinnacle of beauty. If our views of beauty can change (a basic instinct some may say) can our sexuality be influenced by society? That said studies have shown that people have a natural tendency to go for people who look like them. So their is a genetic element involved.

Speaking of genetics in many things (especially complex processes) there is rarely one gene that determines a factor i.e. there is no obesity gene. There can be genes that create predispositions i.e I am more likely to be obese, get heart disease etc. With the proper environment however these effects can be negated or even reversed (a person who has the obesity gene is less likely than the average person to be fat if they take regular exercise, eat properly etc).

So what do you think, is homosexuality a result of society or genetics? I think it's a bit of both although I am far from certain about this.
 
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Back to the point...Bad and evil (I believe) are two different things. I download fansubs (that's bad !) even use semantics to argue a point! Yet I'm not evil. The same can apply to homosexuality.

We would need to define those words more accurately here. Evil here is usually as the opposite of good (because the problem of badness... Doesn't sound very well, does it ?).


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Since homosexuality has become less taboo more people are gay

More people are showing their homosexuality.
More people are accepting their homosexuality.
Doesn't mean that more people are attracted by people of the same sex (It doesn't say the opposite neither).


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So what do you think, is homosexuality a result of society or genetics? I think it's a bit of both although I am far from certain about this.

I'd say it's a good hypothesis, but I've really no idea if it's true or not.
And to be honest, I don't care. Wether it's genetic or environmental, it doesn't change my opinion on homosexuality.
 
QUOTE (monsta666 @ May 18 2008, 03:12 PM) God created man. He did not create homosexuals. God allowed man to make their own decisions (they are not bound by god). As homosexuality is wrong and the people willingly made this choice they are wrong. Or so the arguments goes.
I agree that this point is really touchy, and depends on which religious perspective you have. Example, humans can make decisions because they now have knowledge - but that knowledge was acquired without God's consent because Eve gave into temptation. Therefore, we're all innately sinners regardless of which sexuality we are; sexuality is just merely how some people were born sinners and they must repent for it.


QUOTE Since homosexuality has become less taboo more people are gay.
You mean, more people openly express their homosexuality and/or, are living long enough to express their homosexuality. Expressing your homosexuality might have got you killed in Nazi Germany; might have ended your life in a society where you married to survive and not for romance. A woman in 1600 might find other girls more attractive, but if she didn't have a husband she was as good as dead without someone to support her. Two men found together might have been stoned to death by devote neighbours in an earlier period. So we have no proof that the numbers of homosexuals in society has changed; just that society has become more accepting over the centuries.
 
QUOTE Example, humans can make decisions because they now have knowledge - but that knowledge was acquired without God's consent because Eve gave into temptation. Therefore, we're all innately sinners regardless of which sexuality we are; sexuality is just merely how some people were born sinners and they must repent for it.


That would mean that God, being omniscient, would have put the Forbidden Tree in the middle of the Garden of Eden knowing very well that Adam would eat it.
Pretty much my definition of a jerk (Well, not really, but it contradict the idea that God is benevolent).

And that God create the notion of temptation, or at least instil temptation into the human being. So...

Touchy subject, indeed.
 
QUOTE (chiisai_hana @ May 18 2008, 10:39 PM)You mean, more people openly express their homosexuality and/or, are living long enough to express their homosexuality. Expressing your homosexuality might have got you killed in Nazi Germany; might have ended your life in a society where you married to survive and not for romance. A woman in 1600 might find other girls more attractive, but if she didn't have a husband she was as good as dead without someone to support her. Two men found together might have been stoned to death by devote neighbours in an earlier period. So we have no proof that the numbers of homosexuals in society has changed; just that society has become more accepting over the centuries.

It's ironic you say that because I argued a similar point not too long ago.
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I'm not joking, honest! I just said that to hear the other side of the argument. The strongest counter argument I heard to this was that If everyone tells you that you're supposed to like girls and not boys, and there's no positive example of the opposite available... You just believe them, and don't even consider the other option.

An example of how societies can affect our attitudes. Consider the number of anime fans in Japan (probably even USA/Canada). It is far greater than the UK even if you factor in population differences. Why is that? Is it because people in these countries inherently like anime more? No because in those societies anime is more accepted and there are more incentives for people become fans. If people lack incentives they will never even think of being fans. Similar things could be said about homosexuality. Sure sexuality and anime are different beasts but still. Like you said it is difficult to say whether this is true or not but I definitely feel it plays a part in all this.


QUOTE (Dalriada @ May 18 2008, 11:24 PM)That would mean that God, being omniscient, would have put the Forbidden Tree in the middle of the Garden of Eden knowing very well that Adam would eat it.
I don't think god knew they would take it. He asked them not to eat the forbidden fruit. It was simply a test and man failed that test. After they ate the fruit they gained the knowledge of temptation, shame etc. God did not create the concept of temptation at least not directly. In any case he did not want man to eat the fruit so this would suggest he did not want them to gain this knowledge. Anyway I don't think this is really relevant to this discussion.

Random: Just saw a mosquito!
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Mosquitoes in England?! It's global warming I tell you!
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I don't think god knew they would take it.

Therefore God is not omniscient ?
In the religions of the Book, God is traditionaly described as omniscient, omnipotent and benevolent. It's paradoxical !

There's also the problem of punishing Adam and Eve for doing something evil, but they were doing so when they didn't have the knowledge of good and evil.

And of course, if God didn't create temptation, how Eve could have been tempted ? Not because of her free choice between good and evil, since she hadn't eaten the fruit of knowledge yet.
Temptation could have been invented by the devil, but who created the devil ? The devil may have been created as an angel, but as far as I know, angels don't have free will, so God created an angel bound to become the devil ?

You understand why I said can of worms ? ><


QUOTE Anyway I don't think this is really relevant to this discussion.

It's directly related to the sentence 'God didn't create homosexuality'.
I'd rather have a threat without any religious argument, but it's pretty unrealistic.
 
Hmmm that is a "can of worms" that has been reopened many times. There are some things that we as human beings can not understand? Who are we to attempt to fully understand what can't be truly understand. We can try to but we wouldn't to. God may have made the tree to enable Adam and Eve to have a choice instead of being a programed robot to the will of God. God may have already knew what was going to happen and probably did. But to go into a argument in order to fully understand God is futile.

In saying this, I guess you would have to believe in God in order to argue this argument.

And to relevant, I believe that the root of all sin (Including homosexuality) started in the Garden of Eden.

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Also, God wouldn't have punished them if they did not know what they were about to do was wrong.

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Centuries ago we did not have knowledge on gravity and physics. We can't understand why things happen and resort to "powerful beings" as explanations. I don't buy the "we can try to understand but we won't be able to" notion.

Who are we to attempt to understand what we cannot fully understand? We are intelligent beings very much capable of the destruction AND more importantly the preservation of this planet and life on it. I guess that's a reason.

On homosexuality and genetics.

I think if it is proven that homosexuality can be genetic it might open the minds of a lot of people out there. E.g. They'll get the notion that "it can't be helped, it's genetic". Although it may also pave way for discrimination. These are only speculations, whether or not homosexuality is genetic or not i still do not find anything wrong with it. But if i find it wrong now and find out later that it is genetic, most certainly MY VIEW at least would change.

Dalraida, i used that argument before about God creating "evil" or the devil on a priest and they just went like "evil is the absence of God" etc. etc. the darkness before the light. That's all that i remembered...

QUOTE Also, God wouldn't have punished them if they did not know what they were about to do was wrong.

Therefore, God knew that they knew what they were doing was wrong and still let them do it... So in short he made Adam and Eve knowing that they will betray him... I don't understand why the hell would someone do that at all...


QUOTE If you sit down and think about [God] sensibly, you come up with some very
funny ideas. Like: why make people inquisitive, and then put some forbidden
fruit where they can see it with a big neon finger flashing on and off saying
'THIS IS IT!'?

From my favorite book...

Same with Job, God bet against the devil that Job would still worship him no matter what he does because he KNEW that he was right. Damn, omniscience is unfair... At least we know the devil can be swindled haha!

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In response to the post below...
True there's a difference, because science and religion are two different things. Science won't be able to understand God because there isn't even any proof that he exists. And religion won't be able to understand god because religion just accepts things as they are and do not question "god's mysterious ways"...
 
QUOTE Who are we to attempt to understand what we cannot fully understand? We are intelligent beings very much capable of the destruction AND more importantly the preservation of this planet and life on it. I guess that's a reason.

True, but understanding the world around you through science and understanding an all powerful/all knowing God are completely different things.
 
Hey, yay California's Supreme Court!-- for overturning their ban on gay marriage. This is a topic that always perks my ears up, as I was so p*ssed for weeks after the proposal to "define marriage as one man/one woman" in my state's constitution passed in 2006 (so much for "Progressive Wisconsin"). It still ticks me off (obviously, since I can still rant about it 2 years later).
QUOTE (monsta666 @ May 18 2008, 02:12 PM)
As for man on man action I think it is true that men have less tolerance to male homosexuality than women do to female homosexuality. I don't have evidence to back this up but it's a impression I get. Any women out there please correct me.I know I've said this (a couple times) before, but it's the link between homophobia and misogyny. So women are more likely to feel sympathy/solidarity with gays & lesbians. I think we (women) aren't as... indoctinated, culturally, about their "threat" to our sexuality (whatever it may be) as straight men are.

QUOTE One needs to remember that porn (even anime) gives a distorted version of what lesbianism is really like. I mean they will always pick girls who are very attractive. This doesn't reflect what happens in real life.*laughs* Yes, most of the lesbians I've met in real life don't look like the girls you see in videos (heck, most women, period, don't look like that). Same for boys in GVs (er, that's short for gay videos). The people featured in porn are generally chosen (or draw) to be traditionally attractive to their intended audience (therefore, "lipstick lesbians" are generally meant to appeal to a male audience; yaoi is generally drawn with a female audience in mind*; etc.) Neither media depict the reality of gay life, which is probably not so glamorous-- just like "het" life.
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*Although there are plenty of yaoi fanboys active in the aarin forums, god love 'em!


QUOTE I think the same thing applies when male homosexuals are depicted in the media (common stereotypes are used). I believe yaoi anime is also guilty of adding certain myths. I don't follow this line of anime much but that is the impression I get. Correct me if I'm wrong.What, you mean all gay men aren't devastatingly handsome, with long, lean limbs and unproportionally long fingers, amazingly charming and able to (censored)... *feigns shock, then giggles* Anyway, I truly hope no one here thinks the reason I support gay rights is because I'm a yaoi fan, because I was arguing the topic before I even knew yaoi existed (honest!).

And off-topic:

QUOTE (Dalriada @ May 18 2008, 05:24 PM)That would mean that God, being omniscient, would have put the Forbidden Tree in the middle of the Garden of Eden knowing very well that Adam would eat it.
Pretty much my definition of a jerk*LOL, spits out drink.*
 
This might be of interest to people here ... my lectures in 18th Century British History this week are focusing on the topics of gender and sexuality. Yesterday, we discussed how homosexuality was treated in the 1700's. You can feel free to argue this, but I'm simply repeating what my professor told us - in condensed form, as this was a two hour lecture!

First, thoughts on the body were vastly different. At the time, it was still commonly believed that men and women had identical bodies (the "one body" theory) proven by men having nipples, women's sexual organs being called "inverted testicles", a miscarried fetus not appearing male/female, etc. Medicine still revolved around the body possessing four 'qualities' (blood, phlegm, yellow bile, black bile) so there was no difference of treatment between men and women. It was believed that both partners had to enjoy sex for procreation to occur, but also that it was a natural occurrence and so there was no shame attached to masturbation.

With the discovery of sperm in 1672, ideas began to change. Because it was difficult to see a woman's eggs, it was believed that men possessed the "life spirit" needed for procreation. Attitudes toward sex changed, masturbation was a waste of this "life force", as was any sex not dedicated to procreation. Also, people now began to research the differences between men and women, and a "two body" theory evolved which had repercussions for women's status in society (but that is for another topic). What is important, is that between 1750-1800 the general perspective of gender and sex that we possess today clearly evolved.

At first, homosexuality was not wrong, per se. It was simply an alternative masculinity. The character of the 'Libertine' in English theatre was representative of the man who was more sexually adventurous, etc, and was widely tolerated as no stigma existed to prevent homosexuals from gaining respect/etc. There were well known upper class homosexuals, such as the Earl of Rochester, who held power. And the view was, that power over other men was the same as power over women.

However, two Christian revival groups in London began to target prostitution, both hetero and homosexual. They targeted Molly Houses, and their efforts were highly publicized. People began to view homosexuality as deviant and sinful, and it became a taboo subject. For example, cases were brought to courts of sodomidical rape (older men raping teenage boys) by parents. At the beginning of the century, when the trial was over there was no stigma attached to the boy. Near the end of the century, there was a 50% drop in the number of these cases brought to the attention of courts, as parents began to fear that involvement in such a case could ruin their son's future prospectives due to the stigma of homosexuality.

So basically, by this argument, homosexuality did not become a true 'sin' until the 1800's (for English/Western society, anyway), at the same time sex itself became a taboo subject. There was a fair amount of anti-masturbation literature condemning both sexes, along with a view that women were to not appear sexually needy (which is tied to a view that men were the life force of procreation, childbirth was a burden to women and thus sex could not be enjoyed, etc).

Some academic food for thought?
 
So basically what happened is that because of the vast amount of publicity that those trials got in those times, homosexuality as a whole became demonized in the perspective of the population. Hmmm...

Oh wait, after reading more on sodomy [Thanks to your link], i found out that people who commit sodomy have long been persecuted even before the 1800s...

QUOTE The Middle Assyrian Law Codes (1075 BC) state: If a man have intercourse with his brother-in-arms, they shall turn him into a eunuch. This is the earliest known law condemning the act of sodomy. The Lex Scantia was written by the Romans.
That is sexual intercourse with another male, not necessarily a romantic relationship.
But in terms of it being a "sin"...

QUOTE In England, Henry VIII introduced the first legislation under English criminal law against homosexuals with the Buggery Act of 1533, making buggery punishable by hanging, a penalty not lifted until 1861.
I can't find anything clear on when homosexuality was declared by the church as a sin. Christianity isn't that spread in 1075 B.C.

The earliest i found is Plato...

QUOTE The condemnation of penetrative sex between males, however, predates Christian dogma, as it was frequent in Ancient Greece, whence the theme of action "against nature," traceable to Plato, originated.
So it seems that the guy who started the taboo is Plato...

Feel free to dispute these tidbits, i don't know how accurate they are either as they're from Wikipedia...

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I found something on Christianity vs. Homosexuality...


QUOTE The early Christian Church, the Roman Catholic Church the Eastern Orthodox Churches and, later, the Protestant churches have traditionally been explicitly condemnatory of same-sex sexual relations, namely, "man lying with man as one lies with a woman" and men "burning with lust toward one another." Whereas the Roman Catholic view is founded on a natural law argument informed by scripture and largely indebted to Thomas Aquinas, the Protestant view is based more directly upon scriptural argument. It is commonly believed that certain scriptural texts within the Bible, as in Leviticus, declare same-sex sexual relations between men as sinful and, in the eyes of God, an "abomination" (Leviticus 11:9-12). In the Epistle to the Romans, Saint Paul describes “men, leaving the natural use of the woman, [burning] in their lust one toward another” as a consequence or cause of the sin of idolatry.

Denunciation of homosexuality is also seen in surviving early Christian writings; such as in the writings of St. Justin Martyr, St. Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, St. Cyprian, Eusebius, St. Basil the Great, St. John Chrysostom, St. Augustine of Hippo, and in canonical sources such as the Apostolic Constitutions — for example, Eusebius of Caesarea's statement which condemns "the union of women with women and men with men.” Many prominent Christian theologins have been critical of homosexuality throughout the religion's history. Thomas Aquinas denounced sodomy as second only to bestiality among the worst of all sexual sins, and Hildegard of Bingen's book "Scivias", which was officially approved by Pope Eugene III, condemned sexual relations between women as "perverted forms."

In the 20th and 21st centuries, a few historians and theologians have challenged the Church's traditional understanding, and argue that passages have been mistranslated or that they do not refer to what we understand as “homosexuality.”


The only thing we need to do is to find out what year those saints and popes lived.
So basically homosexuality became a sin in abrahamic religions as early as when they started to interpret their holy scriptures...
 
Adding to khael's point Islam is also against homosexuality (there are exceptions). It suggests that homosexuality is not a natural activity and is transgression against the body. Indeed even anal intercourse is seen as a sin (even if it is between a man and woman). As these religions pre-date the 17th century it seems the stigma originated before this date. Another important thing to consider is that religions only allow marriage between a man and woman. This shows that religion did not recognise same sex relationships. As sex was only permitted during marriage this shows that the only acceptable form of sex was between a man and woman.
 
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So basically homosexuality became a sin in abrahamic religions as early as when they started to interpret their holy scriptures...

Yet, the behaviour towards homosexuality has been varying a lot during history.

The brother of Louis XIV for example was openly homosexual and didn't suffer of that (except he was manipulated by one of his boyfriends, the knight of Lorraine).
It became legal only after the Revolution IIRC.

I'm sure you can find some periods where homosexuality was... not accepted but tolerated and others where it was severly punished.
 
QUOTE Yet, the behaviour towards homosexuality has been varying a lot during history.

The brother of Louis XIV for example was openly homosexual and didn't suffer of that (except he was manipulated by one of his boyfriends, the knight of Lorraine).
It became legal only after the Revolution IIRC.

I'm sure you can find some periods where homosexuality was... not accepted but tolerated and others where it was severly punished.

Yes that is what i'm looking for. Before Plato, didn't homosexuality used to be a tolerated in Greece? E.g. Pederasty... That's one of those periods. Also include to that the notable person chisai hannah noted. But with the rise of events like the Spanish inquisition, the crusades etc. Homosexuality became tied with the term "heretic". [Damn i remember the shepherdess at Spice and Wolf...]

Also a side note to future readers, Abrahamic religions are Judaism, Islam and Christianity, including their respectful denominations.


Off topic:


QUOTE Tea is also the drink that cures all. Lost your job? Have a cuppa. Family brutally murdered? Have a cuppa. Just been diagnosed with cancer? Have a cuppa. Run out of tea? Shit.

Haha good one... Got anything on cooking?

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Found some tidbits again...

QUOTE During the Renaissance, rich cities in northern Italy, Florence and Venice in particular, were renowned for their widespread practice of same-sex love, engaged in by a considerable part of the male population and constructed along the classical pattern of Greece and Rome.[24][25] But even as many of the male population were engaging in same-sex relationships, the authorities, under the aegis of the Officers of the Night court, were prosecuting, fining, and imprisoning a good portion of that population. The eclipse of this period of relative artistic and erotic freedom was precipitated by the rise to power of the moralizing monk Girolamo Savonarola. In northern Europe the artistic discourse on sodomy was turned against its proponents by artists such as Rembrandt, who in his Rape of Ganymede no longer depicted Ganymede as a willing youth, but as a squalling baby attacked by a rapacious bird of prey.

The relationships of socially prominent figures, such as King James I and the Duke of Buckingham, served to highlight the issue, including in anonymously authored street pamphlets: "The world is chang'd I know not how, For men Kiss Men, not Women now;...Of J. the First and Buckingham: He, true it is, his Wives Embraces fled, To slabber his lov'd Ganimede;" (Mundus Foppensis, or The Fop Display'd, 1691.)

Love Letters Between a Certain Late Nobleman and the Famous Mr. Wilson was published in 1723 in England and was presumed to be a novel by some modern scholars. The 1749 edition of John Cleland's popular novel Fanny Hill includes a homosexual scene, but this was removed in its 1750 edition. Also in 1749, the earliest extended and serious defense of homosexuality in English, Ancient and Modern Pederasty Investigated and Exemplified, written by Thomas Cannon, was published, but was suppressed almost immediately. It includes the passage, "Unnatural Desire is a Contradiction in Terms; downright Nonsense. Desire is an amatory Impulse of the inmost human Parts."[26] Around 1785 Jeremy Bentham wrote another defense, but this was not published until 1978.[27] Executions for sodomy continued in the Netherlands until 1803, and in England until 1835.

Between 1864 and 1880 Karl Heinrich Ulrichs published a series of twelve tracts, which he collectively titled Research on the Riddle of Man-Manly Love. In 1867 he became the first self-proclaimed homosexual person to speak out publicly in defense of homosexuality when he pleaded at the Congress of German Jurists in Munich for a resolution urging the repeal of anti-homosexual laws.

Sir Richard Francis Burton's Terminal Essay, Part IV/D appendix in his translation of The Book of the Thousand Nights and a Night (1885–86) provided an effusive overview of homosexuality in the Middle East and tropics. Sexual Inversion by Havelock Ellis, published in 1896, challenged theories that homosexuality was abnormal, as well as stereotypes, and insisted on the ubiquity of homosexuality and its association with intellectual and artistic achievement. Appendix A included A Problem in Greek Ethics by John Addington Symonds, which had been privately distributed in 1883. Beginning in 1894 with Homogenic Love, Socialist activist and poet Edward Carpenter wrote a string of pro-homosexual articles and pamphlets, and "came out" in 1916 in his book My Days and Dreams.

In 1900, Elisar von Kupffer published an anthology of homosexual literature from antiquity to his own time, Lieblingminne und Freundesliebe in der Weltliteratur. His aim was to broaden the public perspective of homosexuality beyond it being viewed simply as a medical or biological issue, but also as an ethical and cultural one.

At least they weren't burned at the stake.


QUOTE The first known appearance of homosexual in print is found in an 1869 German pamphlet by the Austrian-born novelist Karl-Maria Kertbeny, published anonymously.[12] The prevalence of the concept owes much to the work of the German psychiatrist Richard Freiherr von Krafft-Ebing and his 1886 work Psychopathia Sexualis.[13] As such, the current use of the term has its roots in the broader 19th century tradition of personality taxonomy. These continue to influence the development of the modern concept of sexual orientation, gaining associations with romantic love and identity in addition to its original, exclusively sexual meaning.

Also, note that the east tolerated homosexuality to a certain degree. Looks like they're living up to their heritage since i haven't seen any Asian country with a specific laws against homosexuality. And it seems that in the Americas before the Spanish conquest, homosexuality is common and tolerated. Wow, i didn't know that one either...
 
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