Somalia Pirate Ship Hijack


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Prideless

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I cant give the complete story at this time because a few elements differ slightly from source to source. I will post an update after the facts have been laid out clearly.

But from the gist of it. Im pretty sure you all know or have an idea about what happened.

4 Pirates hijacked an American vessel, the Maersk Alabama which contains a crew of 21 Americans off the coast of Somalia.

Quote: The capture of the Alabama marked the first time that American seamen have been seized by pirates who infest the shipping lanes off the east coast of Africa.

-One pirate was lead down to a lower floor then was stabbed in the hand.
-The other 3 pirates seized the Captain as hostage.
-The American crew demanded an exchange of hostages but it was denied.
-The pirates moved into an enclosed lifeboat with the captain as hostage.
-The rest of the crew 20 were rescued by the U.S Navy.
-Captain find opportunity makes a jump in the water but pirates fire he came back.
-Life Boat runs out of fuel and is in rough waters.
-U.S Navy offers to tow life boat to calm waters and it was agreed upon.
- Navy offered pirate medical attention and to negotiate on board Mainbridge.

-Under the cover of night Navy SEALS were parachuted onto the US Navy Destroyer Mainbridge and then posted at the backside in sight of the enclosed lifeboat.

- An opportunity came when all 3 pirates had their heads to shoulders in sight and permission was given to take the shots and they were all taken down simultaneously.

-The remaining pirate is now in custody and Captain Phillips was rescued.

-There were a lot of smaller details but I left them out.
A few

- I heard the lifeboat didnt have a toilet so the pirates were getting irritated because of the passing days with crap and piss stockpiling inside the enclosed life boat.

-Somalia Pirates back on shores attempted to send the other held 230 hostages across 42 ships to assist and create more leverage with the lifeboat with the american captain. They were sent but the US Boxxer made a blockade and threatened to fire if they kept pressing forward and hostage ships retreated. The ships contain hostages over months from many other foreign nations.

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So here is the thoughtful time.

Has this incident produced a negative or positive image of America?

- America has responded to save their fellow American by deploying the U.S Navy yet have done nothing to save the other 230 hostages. They say its hypocrisy because America is supposed to help the weak and those in need.

- America's military might was criticized that a measly 4 pirates were able stop and stall the entire U.S Navy.

The Somalian pirates hold 230 hostages currently for months and have kept them all alive and not killed them. The fact they have not harmed a single one has to say something. I mean you have an entire country that follows the law of the gun, its every man for himself, the pirates were teenagers. When a nation falls into desperation so does its people. What do you expect them to do?

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My opinion on the matter.


It was misfortune for the pirates that the boat apparently was an American ship. You just don't mess with America period.

If you are prepared to take a life then you better be prepared to lose it.

I believe the pirates have some humanity because they kept the hostages til this day alive. They want money, I mean if you were stranded on an island with very limited food supply wouldn't it be every man for himself in the end? People always act on self interest.

You can call America hypocritical all you want, its not possible for America to deploy all its resources and fix every problem in the world. America is not God. Every good choice America makes toward assisting the global community creates an evil consequence that is inherent. Its like the saying saving a life means being unable to save another.

At least America takes stand and takes action rather then doing nothing at all.

Regarding the criticism of America's military might, please we could have blown that lifeboat out of the water 100 fold if we wanted to.

I believe this incident has opened escalated piracy in the American public eye which may induce America to take action against piracy.

The fact the Somalian pirates vowed revenge to kill all Americans hostages when taken means they have just become America's enemy and created their own death sentence.

Regarding the negative image of America being corrupt. You do understand corruption cannot breath in America when it is found that individual or group gets in big doo doo with the people and the government.

This is the longest post I ever made lol.
 
Somalian pirates are rather old stuff, they've been cruising this area for a few years already. And the military answers are nothing new either (read the resolution 1816(2008) of the UN for example)
Of course, it's far more interesting when it's about real Americans rather than some otherplacians, isn't it ?

The piracy in this area is a deep problem, linked to the political instability (and sometimes the political void) around Somalia (Puntland is almost a country without any legal existence). Pirates were mainly starving fishermen asking for "taxes", and now, they've grown bigger.

It could be an interesting thread. Sadly, your only purpose seems to be posturing, "Arrrr ! Look ! Mighty America smash puny pirates". I'm still laughing at your "Regarding the criticism of America's military might, please we could have blown that lifeboat out of the water 100 fold if we wanted to." (of course, blowing the American hostage with a missile would have looked soooo good on CNN) or "
The fact the Somalian pirates vowed revenge to kill all Americans hostages when taken means they have just become America's enemy and created their own death sentence." (Well, they are Somalian, not Afghan, so there's some hope).
 
Hmmm..I have to agree with Dalraida unfortunately here.
Let's get a few things straight, it wasn't THAT long ago that America was ruled by the law of the gun and Texas still has a reputation for pretty nuch staying that way I hear lol
It IS hypocrisy to save only americans if you're offered the chance to save other people to. It's a well known cliche but basically it is just as wrong to be able to do something and NOT do it as to perform an evil act really. The signal given is that if you;re not American then as far as America is concerned then you don't deserve to be saved.
Regarding your view of corruption, what you said is utter nonsense in some respects, just because the government and people don't like corruption doesn;t mean it doesn;t exist. If corruption didn;t exist then there wouldn't be a need for Internal Affairs in the U.S. police department or investigations into companies by ATF or FBI agents into some companies. So it I highly doubt you can saythat America isn't corrupt because there's no way of knowing really.
I think the U.S Navy did a reasonable job of handling the situation although it may have been slightly overkill to use Navy SEALS.
That the situation was dealth with quickly and efficiently should be expected considering that hostage takers wouldn't have been that experienced and that the U.S. Navy is pretty much trained for that kind of situation at least. I do believe though that once they found out about the location of other hostages they should have made attempts to secure those hostages too not doing so has possibly decreased any positive impression the situation could have yielded.
 
The story was extra big news locally becasue the Ship's Captian is from Vermont.


"Ooh. NAVY SEALs!" XD (If you don't get that, you need to watch Clerks)

I don't think the SEALs were overkill at all. If you have a hostage situation in a city, you send in the SWAT team, if you have one on the seas'... Well, the SEALs are the SWAT team for that. I just hope they exhausted all the negotiating options they had before they decided to take the Gung-Ho option.

Anyway, everybody is cracking down now. The French captured a bunch of Pirates yesterday. Even the Japanese sent a pair of Destroyers with special forces on board to the Gulf of Aden to escort freighters carrying their flag. The first deployment of Japanese warships to the reigon since WWII. There are however constitutinal issues as to what exactly they can do if they should happen to encounter Pirates. I think I read they are allowed to fire on them in self defense as long as they don't harm them. I wish them good luck with that.

BTW, speaking of the SEALs, I've noticed that they are targeting their recruitment ads at Anime fans. I've seen them both in the on-demand content from Anime Network and also during Sc-Fi Channel's Animonday. It makes a certain sense I guess becasue there are plenty of Anime fans with hero complexes.
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Pirate attacks happen all the time.

The only reason this one is "News worthy" is because it happened to an American Vessel with Civilians on board.

I don't' consider this actual news, sorry if I upset anyone by saying so.
 
Pirate attacks happen all the time is ture, but there targets and attacks are becoming more and more agressive and startling.

TBH most are from the same region and the same city in the country of Somalia. The place is known for being a haven for all sorts of shit. I am amazed someone has not accidently dropped a bomb and solved world issues!
 
Somalia is located next to a Gulf that leads from the red sea to the Indian ocean (Gulf of Aden). This creates a shipping route that basically allow ships to move goods from the Indian ocean to the Mediterranean. (There is no direct route as far as I know, but it is pretty close.)

Anyway, the point is that the narrow Gulf allows smaller boats to actually have a chance of finding large cargo vessels and attack them. Let's keep in mind that even if a cargo is big, its really tiny compared to the ocean! So finding one is not that easy normally. But apparently, the lack of anything resembling a government in what was once know as Somalia allowed small groups to get organized enough to try to attack those big boats. What they want, is always the crew, because shipping companies have insurances. The cargo itself is rarely of interest to them.

QUOTE (Dalriada @ Apr 14 2009, 05:50 AM)Somalian pirates are rather old stuff, they've been cruising this area for a few years already. And the military answers are nothing new either (read the resolution 1816(2008) of the UN for example I totally agree with Dalriada on that point. It actually surprised me a lot the way most journalist talking about the event described it like something totally new. The first time I heard about pirates off the coast of Somalia was about 4 years ago. And I am not a journalist specialized in world news!

I also heard about those pirates about 3 to 4 weeks ago. I stumbled on a series of report on TV5 (a French tv station from France) about the pirates. Apparently, some French boats had been attacked a few months ago and the French Navy has had a frigate escorting vessels that request it. Spain also has some military planes patrolling the area to inform the Spanish Tuna fisher of the area of the danger zones they should avoid.

At that time, I saw 3 reports on the situations. I was impressed with the speed of the pirates. While the journalist were on the French frigate, a boat was attacked. It took the helicopter 15 minutes to finish refueling and get to the boat. The pirates already had control and nothing could be done at that point (the ship was not a French one). The crew was apparently exchanged against a ransom a week later.

The events Prideless describes happened about a week ago. It is impressive how much I saw it on the news. Most of the time, there was nothing. It was simply a "news update" saying the captain was still prisoner. if I happened to switch to an American channel it was even worst. It was on TV all the time, but there never was any real information. Not one time did I see those "news update" and felt like I learned something new.



QUOTE (Prideless @ Apr 13 2009, 09:34 PM) It was misfortune for the pirates that the boat apparently was an American ship. You just don't mess with America period.

QUOTE (trespasser @ Apr 16 2009, 05:57 PM)Pirate attacks happen all the time is ture, but there targets and attacks are becoming more and more agressive and startling. how is it that now that US citizen are concerned it suddenly becomes startling and important enough to be talked about? Most European country have had problems with those pirates as well as many ships from Asia. So I simply wonder. Why did it invade the news suddenly last week?


QUOTE (Prideless @ Apr 13 2009, 09:34 PM) Regarding the criticism of America's military might, please we could have blown that lifeboat out of the water 100 fold if we wanted to. The captain of any military ship of any county could have "blown the lifeboat a 100 fold" But I doubt blowing a lifeboat with a hostage on board would accomplish much ... except maybe win a court martial for the captain in question!


QUOTE (Prideless @ Apr 13 2009, 09:34 PM) Regarding the negative image of America being corrupt. You do understand corruption cannot breath in America when it is found that individual or group gets in big doo doo with the people and the government. I am not sure what you meant by this. If you imply coruption is impossible in the US, I am afraid you are far from the truth! Corruption exists in every contry. Some are able to better control it, that's all. As for the US image, I doubt "corruption" is the biggest issue. Many people view US people to be arrogant, trigger happy, self centered and a bunch of other negative adjectives. But that is completely another issue not related to this discussion.


QUOTE (trespasser @ Apr 16 2009, 05:57 PM) I am amazed someone has not accidently dropped a bomb and solved world issues! For anyone advocating this, I would like to remind you people actually live there! I would recommend watching the movie "Black Hawk Down". It's is an interesting movie for 2 reasons. The special effects and realism are great. But it also very clearly demonstrate that problems like a civil war are not easily solved mainly because its not a clear war. It's hard to separate enemies from civilians. By the way, that movie is specially appropriate to this discussion, since it talks about Mogadiscio, the former capital of Somalia.


Anyway, those attacks are simply a symptom of a bigger issue -> The power vacuum in Somalia. Some people are trying to fill the void Puntland is an attempt at that. But as long as most of that coast is not a part of a relatively stable country, the problem will continue. Military escort of the ship is a "band aid" solution. It is good to help protect the ships in the short term. But the real issue should be addressed and dealt with.
 
QUOTE (Bold @ Apr 16 2009, 05:59 PM) For anyone advocating this, I would like to remind you people actually live there! I would recommend watching the movie "Black Hawk Down". It's is an interesting movie for 2 reasons. The special effects and realism are great. But it also very clearly demonstrate that problems like a civil war are not easily solved mainly because its not a clear war. It's hard to separate enemies from civilians. By the way, that movie is specially appropriate to this discussion, since it talks about Mogadiscio, the former capital of Somalia.


Anyway, those attacks are simply a symptom of a bigger issue -> The power vacuum in Somalia. Some people are trying to fill the void Puntland is an attempt at that. But as long as most of that coast is not a part of a relatively stable country, the problem will continue. Military escort of the ship is a "band aid" solution. It is good to help protect the ships in the short term. But the real issue should be addressed and dealt with.
I saw the movie, have done assignments on the region and know the history.
As much as I'd like to say 'people' live there, we all know that in some of the major cities there are well known districts for there issues, much like major cities here in NA have 'bad' areas.

I do not advocate complete violence, but maybe, just maybe a surgical removal some places. Esp within Black hawk Down, they were told ahead of time, once they get into that part of town, everyone... and they meant EVERYONE was considered hostile.
 
QUOTE I saw the movie, have done assignments on the region and know the history.
As much as I'd like to say 'people' live there, we all know that in some of the major cities there are well known districts for there issues, much like major cities here in NA have 'bad' areas.

You say that as if there was a finite number of evil subhuman people on the world, and that you could bring peace by killing them all.
May work in Death Note, but not so well in the real world.


Besides, I'd like to point that those attacks are not military attacks, but criminal ones. You wouldn't start bombing the Chicago Loop just because of the Chicago Mafia, would you ? (I chose Chicago because of Al Capone, change the city if you prefer another one).

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Anyway, those attacks are simply a symptom of a bigger issue -> The power vacuum in Somalia. Some people are trying to fill the void Puntland is an attempt at that. But as long as most of that coast is not a part of a relatively stable country, the problem will continue. Military escort of the ship is a "band aid" solution. It is good to help protect the ships in the short term. But the real issue should be addressed and dealt with.


The political void is one root of the problem.
From what I've read, it seems pollution (as in "Vessels releasing illegaly toxic wastes in the sea" is also a serious problem for a coastal population traditionally feed by the sea.
I'll try to give something more accurate after work.
 
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