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That is pretty much true, but the trouble lies in knowing that your senses can be lied to, and your mind can alter, skew, and completely rewrite what it is you experience. So if you were looking at a blue book, you could justifiably say that you seems to see something that resembles what I have come to know as a blue book. You can't actually say, "I'm seeing a blue book", because it could be a very good picture of a book, a hologram, it could be your brain getting high off drugs, you might just "want" to see the book so bad that your brain tells you a book is there, all kinds of crap, and regardless of which explanation is true, you experience the exact same thing.
I guess that just goes to show how limited our perception of things is.
Ahhhh - our senses can be lied to, i dont dispute that man, but you missed my point!
Basically, regardless of what is in fact real and what is not, there is basically something about the experience that makes the actual experience itself real, because it happened - i'm not talkin about the source of the experience, or what is there in an objective sense - its more to do with the fact that there is something there that is personal to me - that "blueness" or a feeling of say "happiness" that is completely real, because its there regardless of where it may hav come from (albeit from my own imagination! or even maybe a super computer - matrix lalala)
QUOTE (Agaidos @ Jan 22 2008, 04:36 PM)hahaha people have come so far to question the obvious.im sure that most of you all are well learned people and are highly intelligent. even so your applying all your smarts ridiculously.to put it simply, i dont understand why your questioning things that are so obvious.
if you jump, YOU jump.plain and simple. its ridiculous to question if the entire earth moves when you've most noteably pointed out that it was the result of your particular action.your moveing.not the earth.its almost like asking the question" when you run, is everything moveing and your staying still, or are you moveing?"
commen sense people, really.no reason to overstrain yourself mentally and exhaust possibilitys when your presented with what actually is.
also, how can you say that all knowledge is unknowable if the statement itself is an affirmation?if its a statement about whether knowledge can be known or not,and alledgedly claims it cant and itself is presented as knowledge about something, it undercuts itself.its as pointless as someone saying something along the lines of"a limited absence".it instantly contradicts the intended meaning.
really, if you've stated the diference between two things, why question them?
its like like when asking" when i look at blue, im not sure if its blue"what else could it be?through all that you've learned it is known by you, to be blue.it will always remain to be blue, and will always be blue on any plain of reality.the mind is not trying to withold any information, or intentionally manipulating you into beilieving it is, when it isnt.
reality is simply what is.
Dude, I LOVE you - read some of my previous posts and you'll understand why - common sense does indeed ROCK and RULE
BUT - these debates, are mentally (pointlessly) exhausting, AND fun exercises to see where we can stretch ideas - we arent trying to be practical really, we are just having a bit of fun - academic fun (i cant believe i said that, good thing that hardly anyone i actually know in real knows who i am on this!!! >.<)
But yah, way to go Agaidos - i salute you!