Western Countries Banning Anime - Is it porn?

warita200

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I still dont get it, what problem do ppl have with animes? ban hentais? like I care, but why animes?
 

InuyashaX

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QUOTE (warita200 @ Dec 08 2006, 06:56 PM) I still dont get it, what problem do ppl have with animes? ban hentais? like I care, but why animes?
Many animes have ecchi which can be considered hentai here. It is unapropriate content, but still, there are many western shows that are much worse. If they must ban anime, then they should do their research and ban certain anime but not the entire franshise in general.
 

karasu

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karasu Apr 11 2007, 04:01 PM Delete - Edit - Quote - Comment

I have recently read on CNN about a ban on mature anime, and I am not sure if this is just pertaining to hentai or not. The article seems a bit unclear on what they are banning.

Here is the link to the article

http://www.basugasubakuhatsu.com/cnn/

if anyone can find more information on this it would be great
 

Yuki69

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By the look of that article they are banning all cartoon pornography, of which anime/manga is the most popular of the genre. This is to aparently help stop child pornography. I guessing its due to the loli hentai and the girls portrayed as underage. which i kinda do agree with, but i also think that banning all explicit anime and manga is going a bit far. I also cant personaly see how that sort of anime/manga would make you want to go after kids, Its just like saying "after playing GTA i had the urge to go and indulge in to gang warfare"
 

Barbobot

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I was actually talking a bit on TS last night about this cause I saw this on wiki when I was looking up lolicon.

I understand why they would want to get rid of any anime/manga that portrays sexual acts by under-age people, but from the article it seems they would be banning all forms of hentai, whether it portray minors or not. I don't go out and buy hentai in the first place so either way it isn't affecting me, but to ban all forms of hentai is going a bit far. It's also a very misleading article. In more than one spot they label pornographic cartoons and comics as "anime" and "manga". And here's a quote from that article that is completely taken out of context and makes anime look bad. "Cartoon pornography, known as "anime" to its fans.." That is the most retarded thing ever. For someone who may be unfamiliar with anime, reading this line could automatically create a link between pornography and all forms of anime, when that is most definitely not the case.

Overall I'm fine with the idea to ban hentai with child pornography because it fits under the Child Pornography Prevention Act. There really isn't much arguing over that. But I don't really like how the article is written. It could give off too many wrong impressions. After reading it I'm still not sure if it's gonna ban hentai with child porn or all hentai.

Edit: Didn't really notice the URL name or the date of the article, but even so my opinion still stands.
 

karasu

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"Some stories are merely suggestive" I haven't read the Negima manga myself, but have seen the show and so i would thing it would be similar. The way they use suggestive can mean a variety of things. The problem is if they ban hentai how far will it go, next it will be violent shows.
 

Hiroyuki

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Erm, have you seen the date of that article?
And the fact that despite the CNN logo the URL is not on cnn.com but basugasubakuhatsu.com?
 

karasu

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i did notice this, but i went the CNN hompage and searched for it and still found the it.

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Wait, I just tried again it the default search is on web. So maybe it is a fake then which is a good thing. If anyone could conform this it would be great. If it is a fake its a good one, becasue all the links work.


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sayonara solitia

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banning animes is like banning people taking marijuanas.... do u think banning marijuanas is ever possible... obivoulsy its no and therefore, this would apply to animes as well... this is simply a logic.... humans are always filled with avarice, ambitions and burning desires and so no matter what gov do... nothing will be chnaged except for wasting their time.. preety dumb idea anyway...
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Cody

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I heard Canada banned anime but also heard some strange story's of that place didn't no what to believe pretty heard that they have thoe, also heard Australia was also considering banning animes is this true?
 

Nahrallah

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QUOTE (Cody @ Apr 18 2007, 07:05 PM) ... also heard Australia was also considering banning animes is this true?
That's the first I've heard of it! I think that a number of the sources of information regarding govenments banning anime are quite questionable.

When we hear news, we should always wait for the sacrament of confirmation. (Voltaire)

If they try to ban anime then I'm going underground!
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If it ever comes to that then why don't they burn some books and bury some scholars while they're about it?

We must all be alike. Not everyone born free and equal, as the constitution says, but everyone made equal . . . A book is a loaded gun in the house next door. Burn it. Take the shot from the weapon. Breach man’s mind. ("Fahrenheit 451" by Ray Bradbury)
 

Mr.wolf

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I don't know i think what they did can benefit, although some animes aren't pornographic or anything. Yet since that some may contain ideas of that sort of thing, therefore they became so cautious that they want to ban every anime. I think that they're looking at things that should be considered last. Like for instance these shows like friends and whatever out their , since in real shows it would effect the audience more than anime, since its more real. So its more like they should give up hollywood for anime xD,( like that would happen =p).
 

Yuki Shiido

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Kouhai
.... banning anime? That's incredibly stupid. If they ban anime, that's pretty much as bad as censoring all books and such. Besides, a bunch of companies would lose a chunk, if not all, of their revenue from anime...
 

Kit-Tsukasa

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First of all, there's a limit to which you can call something pornography. Something "suggestive" doesn't mean it is pornography. Its called "fanservice," which judging from the U.S. government, they have no idea what that means.

In addition, what I really dislike is how they describe the content in some anime and manga as "child pornography." The big question is: what is considered child pornography? What's the minimum age does the displayed character have to be in order for suggestive/fanservice positions to be displayed?

The biggest problem with this whole idea of child pornography in anime is in Japan they consider people 15 years old and above as adults while in the U.S. until one is 18, they are considered minors. Therefore, the whole misconception is a cultural thing. I find this ironic since the American policy is to accept cultures, religions, race, etc... from all groups. However, in this case, they deny that whole concept. Anime is a part of Japanese culture and in reality the American shouldn't be able to do anything about it since it doesn't concern them. Its a cultural difference and as Americans, we should be accepting their culture. It's like banning tofu just because it is exotic. Same concept.

Obviously, by banning anime, there are pros and cons to this issue.

Pros:
-no shows/sales = no more licenses
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-more downloads and ups for fansubs! The U.S. government will no longer have control of this because companies can't pursue something that is banned in the U.S. law.
-GUESS WHAT: DEATH NOTE WILL BE BACK~~

Cons:
-no shows in the U.S. Some are actually okay/fun to watch at times.
-good manga will be nearly impossible to obtain
-sucks for the American Economy as this is the new main attraction in our world

Again this goes back to the whole stupid idea at my school of thinking ecchi = pornography. Sure it displays suggestive content, but it doesn't show anything explicit like actual sex, masturbation, etc... Therefore, there is no real reason.

On a final note, this article is one year old and there hasn't been any further announcements or advancements regarding this policy in the US. At this point we can assume it is dead. I think its because its too ambiguous and would run so many companies out of business these days.
 

clrgamer78

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Im 31 and have experienced much in my life,and I have to agree that westerners just dont get it. Yes, its true some anime has some pornography in it, (popotan is written well, but the nudity in many scenes serves no purpose to the story in any way)but to geralize anime as Hentai, and some people do,is like saying playboy is a form of art. I can see love scenes or bathing scenes, Im not uptight, but certain animes have nudity strewn about so rampant that I feel like sometimes I have to explain to people that Im not watching porn,theres a story here if you can just look past all the ridiculous situations where people just appear naked for no reason,exept maybe fanservice. I dont believe in censorship of ANY kind, I believe that anime should be seen uncut in its entirety, or not all. Americans are EXTREMELY uptight about sex, Japan finds a lot of humor in sexual slapstick situations. I can live with that. It's situation humor turned up an awkward notch,its not porn.
 

mosque

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Kouhai
I agree, clrgamer78, censorship of any kind is worthless.
It is just a symptom of a society relying on government or bureaucracies to be parents for their children.

In the USA, there is a supposed freedom of speech. Yet there is also a thing called the FCC, which is why you cannot say certain words on the radio even if they are an integral part of a song, or show the natural beauty of the human body.
In our earlier history, comedians were even jailed for saying things like "snot" in their act. A policeman in the audience would literally stand up and say "Okay, the show's over folks."

With rating systems and parental controls on televisions and internet browsers, there is no excuse. The only way children would be exposed to things which might rob them of innocence is when parents don't do their job.

The real problem is that people have uninformed and contrary convictions.
"I want my child to never hear the f-word, but I will do nothing to prevent it, you do something." "Seeing cartoon breasts will damage my child's psyche, even though real breasts fed their body."
 

warita200

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QUOTE (Kit-Tsukasa @ Jun 19 2007, 10:05 PM)
The biggest problem with this whole idea of child pornography in anime is in Japan they consider people 15 years old and above as adults while in the U.S. until one is 18, they are considered minors. Therefore, the whole misconception is a cultural thing. I find this ironic since the American policy is to accept cultures, religions, race, etc... from all groups. However, in this case, they deny that whole concept. Anime is a part of Japanese culture and in reality the American shouldn't be able to do anything about it since it doesn't concern them. Its a cultural difference and as Americans, we should be accepting their culture. It's like banning tofu just because it is exotic. Same concept.

Obviously, by banning anime, there are pros and cons to this issue.

I read that the age of consent to sex in japan is 13 ..... of course this cultural difference reflects in anime as well. By japanese standards, it is not outrageous to show children in sexually suggestive situations. It is so in USA and comparing it to tofu is a little amusing. Tofu is harmless and animes bordering on pornography surely isnt.
This is not about accepting different culture, but about protecting the masses from something potentially harmfull. Whether this is objective or not is a different subject, but then again there are worse things going on in the world, one only needs to look into the direction of middle east for a better understanding of what sencorship and ridiculous laws about personal freedom, believes and what not mean.
 

Patrick5087

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Kouhai
if they do a blanket ban on anime that would be seriously stuiped... I mean sure there is fan service but honestly so what... is it causeing kids to go aroudn flipping skirts?? and as far as i know thats been going on since skirts where invented...

also the fact they are banning anything sex relaited should mean they should ban anything volince related that pretty much means ALL cartoons movies.
 

Hiei

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QUOTE (UrashimaKeitarou @ Feb 19 2006, 11:33 AM) By the way I don't know why people think animes are to violent or full of explicit material because english movie are full of violence (with real people) and franch movie normally full of explicit material (with real people again). Is a drawing loosing his head is more violent than a person loosing is head
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very well said -
In the end its all about industry in each country lobbying for their "rights"
Some countries have a tendency for right wing conservative thinking, and contradictory actions will happen all the time.
Subgroups such as japanese animation fans don't have a platform to help protect their SPECIFIC groups or interest but hopefully the web can keep these fan movements alive
 
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